andrix wrote: ↑Wed Mar 02, 2022 11:42 am
So I know this thread briefly touched on Dreams of The First age already but I'm eyeballing running a First Age game for my group and what is and isn't canon now and what snippits I've heard are and aren't official is a bit of a mush in my head.
Anyone want to take a shot at explaining how they think 3e handles the Primordials, the war and the first age compared to 2e? I made this forum and I'm going to leverage it shamelessly to do my homework for me
Well I'm caught up on the main book now so I know a good deal more about 3rd Edition now, plus with how everyone has been informing me of how things have changed.
1. The Primordials aren't Buffy Season Fimale villains
: I really like the change that the Primordials aren't scheming to get out of Hell and the Underworld now to bring about the end of everything. The idea of, "they're going to get out RIGHT NOW" is something that I feel like rather dramatically undercut the Exalted stories of fighting slavers, fighting the Realm, and punching the Guild in the face. I really like the whole, "The Yozis just really love fucking with Creation because why not?" version. Also, the idea the Neverborn are dead and sleeping to the point they're probably not even aware of what the Abyssals are doing in their name.
You still CAN have the Yozis and Neverborn try to return to the world. However, that's more something specific for your campaign.
2. I wish they'd continue calling them Primordials
: I know Dungeons and Dragons uses the name but I really like the name Primordials and kind of am annoyed that they don't use it nearly as much in the text to describe the conflicts of the war.
3. I overall like how utterly inhuman and inscrutable they are
: There seems to be a lot more focus on the "layers" between the Primordials and the (un)average human being. So much so that the Infernal Exalted are specifically called out as being super-duper extra-special just for their ability to be able to communicate with them. I really enjoyed this because in my games, I emphasized the idea that demons are fragments of the Primordials so you've always been talking to offshoots because the "core" is not like talking to Sauron. It's like talking to a galaxy.
Even Exalted are needing to have it dumbed down a lot.
4. It increases the role of cultists, demons, and Death Lords
: If the Yozis and Primordials aren't actively trying to mastermind their escape, it makes the deranged Thulsa Doom and Princess Magnificent types and their own schemes more important in the long run. Plus, it makes demons more important to their OWN evil schemes as while She Who Lives in Her Name is never getting out, maybe one of her inner circle might.
5. It actually differentiates their characterization
: The Yozis and Neverborn universally being guys trying to break into this reality is somewhat overdone in Call of Cthulhu and other fiction. So them being content ro just sit in their prisons dreaming or brooding actually makes them more interesting. I also think it makes the Solars and Unconquered Sun look less like chumps if they've made it so escape is never-ever gonna happen.
(Unless it is the focus of the campaign)
6. They overemphasize the freedom of Infernals
: The book is 100% clear that Infernals aren't slaves or the minions of the Yozis and frankly I don't care for that as I think that Exalted getting themselves enslaved to Yozis is a great plot point for creating villains. The Akuma have seemingly been written out and it's just a catch-all term for them and I think it's a shame we no longer have that tragic story of Exalted tricked into geas or infernal contract that ends.
7. It recategorizes the threat level of demons and Yozis:
Basically, the difference between a Yozi escaping and a Third Circle Demon escaping is the second can happen while the first can't but the Third Circle demon is still fucking Cthulhu AKA a mile tall sleeping monster that can end the world. Not a Star Spawn (which is closer to 2nd Circle).
1. De-Emphasizing Absolute Solar Dominion
: They seem to be going with the idea that the Solars ruling over creation wasn't quite as "top down" as everyone thought with it much more like the Lunars were co-rulers and everyone having a place in the grand scheme of things. There seems to have been a lot of shitting on the Dragonblooded in past editions with the idea they were even concubines and slaves versus important parts of the First Age themselves.
Versus, "What do you call the person who graduated last in their class at medical school?" "Doctor."
Or in this case, "What do you call the weakest of the Exalted?" "A terrifying being coursing with the power of the gods."